‘I would say self-mastery is a pillar of my work.’
July 9, 2026
By Jee Young Park
Above: courtesy of Jordan
Le Fool: Why do you sing?
I believe singing shifts the atmosphere around you. No matter what is it you’re singing, no matter whether it’s “good” or “bad” singing shifts the atmosphere in a positive direction. It charges the energy of the space around you. Growing up, my grandmother would tell me that my voice was a gift. It wasn’t a gift, though, until I gave it to other people, until I shared it with other people. That’s why I sing.
Le Fool: Where did you learn to sing?
My earliest memories of singing…I thought it was the karaoke CDs that my grandmother bought me as a kid or riding in the car with my mom and dad as they listened to the radio, but I actually remember learning how to sing from Barney, which was my favorite show. The songs on Barney are literally my very first memory of singing and learning how to sing. It was the infamous Barney “I love you. You love me. We’re a happy family” song.
Le Fool: When did you find out that your great-grandmother was a traiteur and how did it impact you?
I found out recently, I want to say the year was 2022 or 2023. It had a significant impact on me as a person as well as on my artistry. By that time, my mom had mentioned once or twice that my great-grandmother was said to have healing hands, and that’s a common thing that you’ll hear people say in Louisiana, that some people have healing hands and they’re able to heal people, but I never knew what a traiteur was until I was doing independent research. I was trying to figure out my own gifts and if it was possible that I was gifted because I believed that I was. I stumbled upon the word traiteur but I never told my mom. Fast forward, I don’t know how much time passed, my mom calls me, and she tells me she reconnected with that side of her family, and she found out that our grandmother was a traiteur. In that moment, my heart dropped. I had just learned about traiteurs and so many dots connected in that moment. It felt profound to hear that. It lit a fire under my tail to incorporate healing into my music and to take myself seriously as a healing artist.
Le Fool: What brought you to Chicago from Lafayette?
Chance and fate. I was visiting Chicago and I happened to receive an opportunity to not go home. With no money in my account and minimal belongings, I took that leap of faith and ended up here, but I could not have chosen a better place to land as an artist. Chicago is such a perfect hub for artists of every kind, honestly, so I’ve fallen madly in love with this city even though I didn’t technically choose it.
Le Fool: Where do you go when things get tough?
I go to the water. I go to the lake. Any body of water I can find, I’m going to sit by to breathe. I give all my problems to the water and essentially cleanse, cry, write, pray, and meditate. I go by the water and I leave feeling completely renewed every single time.
Le Fool: Who are you talking to in ‘Earth Angel’?
I’m talking to myself and to each and every woman and femme who is like me. Who is tender hearted and sensitive and emotionally in tune, while also very much someone who is not going to take bullshit from anybody! I’m singing to the women who are headstrong, who know what they want, who know themselves, and who absolutely refuse to close their heart after pain, after betrayal, after life has literally kicked our ass we refuse to harden.
Le Fool: How did you uncover the path to completing three EPs?
My first EP was very much thrown together and put together in a very chaotic way, whereas my approach to this EP has definitely been more structured, more grounded, more regulated, and incorporated a lot more research and studying, gathering references both visually and sonically. I took a more professional approach as well. But how did I uncover the path? Honestly, by going slowly and taking my time, and letting the answers and the steps come to me instead of frantically just throwing stuff together.
Le Fool: Did you end up recording the entirety of this EP on iPhone even after visiting the studio? What went into that decision?
Yes, I did record all of this EP on my iPhone even after going to a professional studio to record. It was my first time recording my own music in the studio, and that process is so intimate to me. I was unfamiliar with having an engineer and other people in the room; it wasn’t out of shyness. I wasn’t able to tap into that meditative state like I do when I record by myself on my phone.
I do plan to work my way up to being able to tap into that frequency no matter where I am. But this time around, I was listening to the song I recorded in the studio and it didn’t feel right. Even though the engineer and everyone there insisted everything sounded great and that I shouldn’t make any changes, I felt in my heart that I wasn’t able to tap into that meditative presence I have when I record by myself.
Le Fool: What do I look for in a collaborator?
Ideally, I seek to collaborate with people who have a vision in place, who are very focused on storytelling and world building, but they have an identity already set in stone. Shared values is also incredibly important, as well as alignment with our ideas.
Le Fool: “Let’s Dance” shows off a little of your voice acting skills. Was it scripted? How did the idea for the conversation come about?
Yes, it was scripted. I wrote this script for “Let’s Dance,” and the male actor is actually my partner so we had a lot of fun with that! I wanted a dance track on the EP but I didn’t really have it in me to write an entire song, so I was like, you know what? let’s just write a little script and get the message out. The idea of dancing as society collapses, I just didn’t feel like writing that song, so I was like, eh, let’s just talk on it, you know?
Le Fool: Tell me a little bit about who the other person is in the interlude and when and where you recorded that.
If you’re referring to the child’s voice in the interlude, that is one of the little boys I nanny. His name is Joseph and he’s two years old, and I actually recorded that as a voice memo. It wasn’t intended to be a part of the project, it was just a voice note that I was recording while we were at the park playing. I don’t exactly remember why I recorded that. But as I was putting together the EP, I was like, hmmm, this provides context to what this song means, so I added it.
Le Fool: What do you think it means to be independent today?
To be independent is to be sovereign and to have control over your own mind. With our attention spans, thought process, and opinions being pulled and swayed in every direction, I believe the idea to think critically and come to your own conclusions and formulate your own opinions, on your own terms, is the epitome of being independent. That, and practicing autonomy and making decisions for yourself not rooted in anxiety or desperation and rather, complete and total freedom.
Le Fool: There were censorship issues with uploading your EP or so I thought based on your note. What recourse do artists have when these things happen?
I would tell independent artists to set your release date two weeks in advance so you can avoid this. If I would have run into this problem a couple of weeks ago, I think I would’ve been able to resolve it with the customer support team of my distributor, but because it was such a time crunch, I just had to move forward and push past this issue. Ideally, a recourse would’ve looked like sorting it out on the back end. We do have other options, other platforms that we can put our music out on, but I think in situations like that, it’s always best to not be like me and procrastinate and wait till the last minute. Upload your projects at least two weeks in advance! This was definitely a learning experience.
Le Fool: How did you prepare to be seen?
I definitely did a lot of exposure therapy on TikTok making goofy, silly videos showing my face and eventually talking about my artistry. I started opening up little by little about that. At one point, I never talked about my music at all. I straight up made funny videos, sometimes ranted, and talked about random things. I would say that exposure therapy helped a lot, as well as the nervous system work that I did. I would treat my time at the gym as a form of somatic therapy, as a means of feeling grounded in my body, present, and safe, as well as building a general sense of confidence. I did a lot of that in the gym, as well as various forms of meditation and visualization, envisioning myself on the stage, practically training and regulating my nervous system to a point where I truly felt and knew on a subconscious level that not only is it okay for me to be seen but I’m meant to be seen. That took a lot of work but that’s how I did it.
Le Fool: One thing that kept coming up for me in hearing you speak, reading your articles, coming across your notes, and finally listening to your music was the consistency of your voice and presence throughout. It’s not that we can’t be multifaceted or varied in our expression but there’s value in finding someone whose work feels aligned with who they are to the best of our knowledge. I think that’s rare. I think that’s something unique to indie artists by design. It’s hard to take that path without connecting with people from a place of ‘here I am’ so to speak, and I ultimately believe that to be a strength. Do you see yourself and your online presence in the same light or is it an altogether different situation?
This is such a good question and I really appreciate the observation that you made about me as an individual as well as my online presence. One thing I’ve always told myself since the very beginning is I want my listeners to trust me. I think in moments where I’ve overshared or showed up in ways that weren’t so palatable or easily digestible or even talked about things that I’ve gone through that are very hard to: 1) talk about and 2) hear about and read about, I’ve always had it in the back of my mind that I was building trust with whoever was paying attention to me, which also came with its downsides, but I think it’s had a good pay off in the long run. From an integrity standpoint, I really believe in practicing in what I preach before I preach it. In my artistry to some capacity, I am leading with my role as a healer. I believe it’s not to heal anyone but to teach, to teach people how to heal themselves. Without honesty I would not be able to fulfill that role and that calling, but I have mastered somewhat of a balancing act between being an open book as well as being private, and having aspects of my life and my inner world and even parts of my personality that are reserved for myself and for the people in my life. It’s kind of like an art that I’ve had to master of letting people in so much while still there being a significant amount of information that the world does not know. I see myself as my own entity and my social media presence is just an extension of me.
Le Fool: What does it mean to have faith in life and in your work?
For me, having faith is not spiritual bypassing reality, not denying reality, because that is something else. It’s having this inner knowing that no matter what’s going on around you, no matter what goes wrong, you will be okay. And some would argue that we are our own gods, and we have full control over our destiny and our fate, but to me, it’s more liberating to know that I don’t have that much control, because I be making pretty dumb choices sometimes. I say all that to say that there’s always a bigger plan whether you believe in God or not. There’s some type of intelligence or divine order that is always at play.
Le Fool: Throughout the process of preparing for this EP release, you’ve spoken about bullying, inter-generational trauma, and evolving past that, partly by sharing your gift in a way that could help others. When you shared this in our introductory conversation, it felt like you were embodying self-mastery. It’s a path that weaves the ease of a natural gift, embracing your greatest challenges, confronting the ego, and acting on a desire to contribute to the greater collective. I think that dynamic has always flourished in the arts but something about your work, which encompasses the storytelling you do in notes and articles on Substack, asserts that clearly. And I think it’s a departure from an over-reliance on spectacle in entertainment. How do you make sense of all these elements? Do you think you’re on a path of self-mastery or is it something else?
I do believe I am on a path of self-mastery in a way to which you expressing this last time we spoke definitely affirmed that for me. All the things that you mentioned, the elements of overcoming the trauma and the challenges, confronting the ego, and acting on the desire to contribute to the greater collective, I think it’s all interwoven. I genuinely believe there were aspects of my trauma that unlocked certain gifts initially. They were unlocked out of survival, but as I evolved and healed, I realized somewhere along the way that, oh, I can wield this ability for my own betterment and for the betterment of the people around me. I believe that through my life, my childhood, my story, my artistry, everything, it has all been a path of self-mastery from the very beginning. I think from my ego’s perspective, I could say this shouldn’t have happened or that shouldn’t have happened to me, but from an elevated perspective I can say, I was in this dark pit, this deep pit that I almost did not make it out of but I did! There are people who are still in that same pit of their own, and I’m in a position where I can take a flashlight and shine it into that pit and say, hey! there’s a way out. With influencer culture and pop psychology there are so many people who can hop online and give a step-by-step guide to regulating your nervous system and trauma, but what the collective needs is examples, like, real real-life examples. So yes, I would say self-mastery is a pillar of my work.
By Jee Young Park
Above: courtesy of Jordan
Le Fool: Why do you sing?
I believe singing shifts the atmosphere around you. No matter what is it you’re singing, no matter whether it’s “good” or “bad” singing shifts the atmosphere in a positive direction. It charges the energy of the space around you. Growing up, my grandmother would tell me that my voice was a gift. It wasn’t a gift, though, until I gave it to other people, until I shared it with other people. That’s why I sing.
Le Fool: Where did you learn to sing?
My earliest memories of singing…I thought it was the karaoke CDs that my grandmother bought me as a kid or riding in the car with my mom and dad as they listened to the radio, but I actually remember learning how to sing from Barney, which was my favorite show. The songs on Barney are literally my very first memory of singing and learning how to sing. It was the infamous Barney “I love you. You love me. We’re a happy family” song.
Le Fool: When did you find out that your great-grandmother was a traiteur and how did it impact you?
I found out recently, I want to say the year was 2022 or 2023. It had a significant impact on me as a person as well as on my artistry. By that time, my mom had mentioned once or twice that my great-grandmother was said to have healing hands, and that’s a common thing that you’ll hear people say in Louisiana, that some people have healing hands and they’re able to heal people, but I never knew what a traiteur was until I was doing independent research. I was trying to figure out my own gifts and if it was possible that I was gifted because I believed that I was. I stumbled upon the word traiteur but I never told my mom. Fast forward, I don’t know how much time passed, my mom calls me, and she tells me she reconnected with that side of her family, and she found out that our grandmother was a traiteur. In that moment, my heart dropped. I had just learned about traiteurs and so many dots connected in that moment. It felt profound to hear that. It lit a fire under my tail to incorporate healing into my music and to take myself seriously as a healing artist.
Le Fool: What brought you to Chicago from Lafayette?
Chance and fate. I was visiting Chicago and I happened to receive an opportunity to not go home. With no money in my account and minimal belongings, I took that leap of faith and ended up here, but I could not have chosen a better place to land as an artist. Chicago is such a perfect hub for artists of every kind, honestly, so I’ve fallen madly in love with this city even though I didn’t technically choose it.
Le Fool: Where do you go when things get tough?
I go to the water. I go to the lake. Any body of water I can find, I’m going to sit by to breathe. I give all my problems to the water and essentially cleanse, cry, write, pray, and meditate. I go by the water and I leave feeling completely renewed every single time.
Le Fool: Who are you talking to in ‘Earth Angel’?
I’m talking to myself and to each and every woman and femme who is like me. Who is tender hearted and sensitive and emotionally in tune, while also very much someone who is not going to take bullshit from anybody! I’m singing to the women who are headstrong, who know what they want, who know themselves, and who absolutely refuse to close their heart after pain, after betrayal, after life has literally kicked our ass we refuse to harden.
Le Fool: How did you uncover the path to completing three EPs?
My first EP was very much thrown together and put together in a very chaotic way, whereas my approach to this EP has definitely been more structured, more grounded, more regulated, and incorporated a lot more research and studying, gathering references both visually and sonically. I took a more professional approach as well. But how did I uncover the path? Honestly, by going slowly and taking my time, and letting the answers and the steps come to me instead of frantically just throwing stuff together.
Le Fool: Did you end up recording the entirety of this EP on iPhone even after visiting the studio? What went into that decision?
Yes, I did record all of this EP on my iPhone even after going to a professional studio to record. It was my first time recording my own music in the studio, and that process is so intimate to me. I was unfamiliar with having an engineer and other people in the room; it wasn’t out of shyness. I wasn’t able to tap into that meditative state like I do when I record by myself on my phone.
I do plan to work my way up to being able to tap into that frequency no matter where I am. But this time around, I was listening to the song I recorded in the studio and it didn’t feel right. Even though the engineer and everyone there insisted everything sounded great and that I shouldn’t make any changes, I felt in my heart that I wasn’t able to tap into that meditative presence I have when I record by myself.
Le Fool: What do I look for in a collaborator?
Ideally, I seek to collaborate with people who have a vision in place, who are very focused on storytelling and world building, but they have an identity already set in stone. Shared values is also incredibly important, as well as alignment with our ideas.
Le Fool: “Let’s Dance” shows off a little of your voice acting skills. Was it scripted? How did the idea for the conversation come about?
Yes, it was scripted. I wrote this script for “Let’s Dance,” and the male actor is actually my partner so we had a lot of fun with that! I wanted a dance track on the EP but I didn’t really have it in me to write an entire song, so I was like, you know what? let’s just write a little script and get the message out. The idea of dancing as society collapses, I just didn’t feel like writing that song, so I was like, eh, let’s just talk on it, you know?
Le Fool: Tell me a little bit about who the other person is in the interlude and when and where you recorded that.
If you’re referring to the child’s voice in the interlude, that is one of the little boys I nanny. His name is Joseph and he’s two years old, and I actually recorded that as a voice memo. It wasn’t intended to be a part of the project, it was just a voice note that I was recording while we were at the park playing. I don’t exactly remember why I recorded that. But as I was putting together the EP, I was like, hmmm, this provides context to what this song means, so I added it.
Le Fool: What do you think it means to be independent today?
To be independent is to be sovereign and to have control over your own mind. With our attention spans, thought process, and opinions being pulled and swayed in every direction, I believe the idea to think critically and come to your own conclusions and formulate your own opinions, on your own terms, is the epitome of being independent. That, and practicing autonomy and making decisions for yourself not rooted in anxiety or desperation and rather, complete and total freedom.
Le Fool: There were censorship issues with uploading your EP or so I thought based on your note. What recourse do artists have when these things happen?
I would tell independent artists to set your release date two weeks in advance so you can avoid this. If I would have run into this problem a couple of weeks ago, I think I would’ve been able to resolve it with the customer support team of my distributor, but because it was such a time crunch, I just had to move forward and push past this issue. Ideally, a recourse would’ve looked like sorting it out on the back end. We do have other options, other platforms that we can put our music out on, but I think in situations like that, it’s always best to not be like me and procrastinate and wait till the last minute. Upload your projects at least two weeks in advance! This was definitely a learning experience.
Le Fool: How did you prepare to be seen?
I definitely did a lot of exposure therapy on TikTok making goofy, silly videos showing my face and eventually talking about my artistry. I started opening up little by little about that. At one point, I never talked about my music at all. I straight up made funny videos, sometimes ranted, and talked about random things. I would say that exposure therapy helped a lot, as well as the nervous system work that I did. I would treat my time at the gym as a form of somatic therapy, as a means of feeling grounded in my body, present, and safe, as well as building a general sense of confidence. I did a lot of that in the gym, as well as various forms of meditation and visualization, envisioning myself on the stage, practically training and regulating my nervous system to a point where I truly felt and knew on a subconscious level that not only is it okay for me to be seen but I’m meant to be seen. That took a lot of work but that’s how I did it.
Le Fool: One thing that kept coming up for me in hearing you speak, reading your articles, coming across your notes, and finally listening to your music was the consistency of your voice and presence throughout. It’s not that we can’t be multifaceted or varied in our expression but there’s value in finding someone whose work feels aligned with who they are to the best of our knowledge. I think that’s rare. I think that’s something unique to indie artists by design. It’s hard to take that path without connecting with people from a place of ‘here I am’ so to speak, and I ultimately believe that to be a strength. Do you see yourself and your online presence in the same light or is it an altogether different situation?
This is such a good question and I really appreciate the observation that you made about me as an individual as well as my online presence. One thing I’ve always told myself since the very beginning is I want my listeners to trust me. I think in moments where I’ve overshared or showed up in ways that weren’t so palatable or easily digestible or even talked about things that I’ve gone through that are very hard to: 1) talk about and 2) hear about and read about, I’ve always had it in the back of my mind that I was building trust with whoever was paying attention to me, which also came with its downsides, but I think it’s had a good pay off in the long run. From an integrity standpoint, I really believe in practicing in what I preach before I preach it. In my artistry to some capacity, I am leading with my role as a healer. I believe it’s not to heal anyone but to teach, to teach people how to heal themselves. Without honesty I would not be able to fulfill that role and that calling, but I have mastered somewhat of a balancing act between being an open book as well as being private, and having aspects of my life and my inner world and even parts of my personality that are reserved for myself and for the people in my life. It’s kind of like an art that I’ve had to master of letting people in so much while still there being a significant amount of information that the world does not know. I see myself as my own entity and my social media presence is just an extension of me.
Le Fool: What does it mean to have faith in life and in your work?
For me, having faith is not spiritual bypassing reality, not denying reality, because that is something else. It’s having this inner knowing that no matter what’s going on around you, no matter what goes wrong, you will be okay. And some would argue that we are our own gods, and we have full control over our destiny and our fate, but to me, it’s more liberating to know that I don’t have that much control, because I be making pretty dumb choices sometimes. I say all that to say that there’s always a bigger plan whether you believe in God or not. There’s some type of intelligence or divine order that is always at play.
Le Fool: Throughout the process of preparing for this EP release, you’ve spoken about bullying, inter-generational trauma, and evolving past that, partly by sharing your gift in a way that could help others. When you shared this in our introductory conversation, it felt like you were embodying self-mastery. It’s a path that weaves the ease of a natural gift, embracing your greatest challenges, confronting the ego, and acting on a desire to contribute to the greater collective. I think that dynamic has always flourished in the arts but something about your work, which encompasses the storytelling you do in notes and articles on Substack, asserts that clearly. And I think it’s a departure from an over-reliance on spectacle in entertainment. How do you make sense of all these elements? Do you think you’re on a path of self-mastery or is it something else?
I do believe I am on a path of self-mastery in a way to which you expressing this last time we spoke definitely affirmed that for me. All the things that you mentioned, the elements of overcoming the trauma and the challenges, confronting the ego, and acting on the desire to contribute to the greater collective, I think it’s all interwoven. I genuinely believe there were aspects of my trauma that unlocked certain gifts initially. They were unlocked out of survival, but as I evolved and healed, I realized somewhere along the way that, oh, I can wield this ability for my own betterment and for the betterment of the people around me. I believe that through my life, my childhood, my story, my artistry, everything, it has all been a path of self-mastery from the very beginning. I think from my ego’s perspective, I could say this shouldn’t have happened or that shouldn’t have happened to me, but from an elevated perspective I can say, I was in this dark pit, this deep pit that I almost did not make it out of but I did! There are people who are still in that same pit of their own, and I’m in a position where I can take a flashlight and shine it into that pit and say, hey! there’s a way out. With influencer culture and pop psychology there are so many people who can hop online and give a step-by-step guide to regulating your nervous system and trauma, but what the collective needs is examples, like, real real-life examples. So yes, I would say self-mastery is a pillar of my work.
Hermès Carré ‘Cheval Surprise’, 2026 Colorations. Courtesy of Bureau Clinica